Why Homosexuality is a Natural Law Issue?

Why Homosexuality is a Natural Law Issue?

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Melinda Selmys, familiar to the readers of Crisis as a leading voice among the gay Christian movement, recently wrote an essay she called “10 Reasons Why Homosexuality is Not a Natural Law Issue.” Her basic premise is “that trying to argue against homosexuality from a natural law point of view in contemporary discourse is about as prudent and effective as the charge of the Light Brigade.” In other words, she believes it’s dead on arrival.

She concludes her essay with a few magisterial pronouncements:

Christians have been trying this natural law approach for decades. They have been steadily losing ground for decades. Arguing against homosexuality from natural law is demonstrably ineffectual. It produces no converts. It draws no souls to Christ. It doesn’t even convince people to oppose gay marriage. It’s a lame horse. Giving it another run will not alter the results. It has not worked, and it’s not going to work—for all of the reasons given above. It’s time to put this old argument out to pasture, and try a different approach.

As a man who once considered himself a gay man, and converted to the Catholic Church in large part because of the Church’s teaching on the natural law, I simply have to scratch my head in wonderment that she believes the natural law draws no souls to Christ, or is ineffectual for conversion, or ineffectual in convincing people of the wisdom of the Church’s teaching about homosexuality. I’m not an anomaly. Anyone who earnestly seeks the truth will find the truth revealed in the natural law. As to the natural law’s effectiveness in drawing souls to God, we need only consult the writings of St. Paul. One of the foundations of Christian evangelization is St. Paul’s assertion that God’s law is written on man’s heart, always guiding him so that he might know good from evil. The “law written on the heart” has always given missionaries confidence that they could communicate with any society anywhere the wisdom of the Church’s teaching.

I travel all over the country, and have spoken about the Church’s teaching on homosexuality to thousands of people, young and old alike, and I can attest to the power and efficacy of the natural law in convincing people to consider the teachings of the Catholic Church. The most effective part of any evangelization is the power of witness, yet after the story of my conversion, people (especially young people) want to know why I’ve chosen to follow the Church. Without grounding my choice firmly within the natural law, my choice to follow the Church appears to most people as mere blind obedience to an arbitrary moralism. The natural law is the most effective tool we can ever use to explain to the world, and to young people, exactly why the Church teaches what it does, and why the Church’s teaching leads to freedom. The natural law isn’t a lame horse—it’s a stallion itching to run who has hardly been let out of the stable.

None of Selmys’s assertions about why the natural law is a “lame horse” have ever been a problem in my ministry. For example, one of her major complaints is that no one can possibly understand what the Church means by “natural,” since, according to Selmys, “the particular meaning of the word ‘natural’ that is used when we’re describing homosexual acts as ‘unnatural’ is more or less completely unfamiliar to everyone in the contemporary world.”

I don’t accept her claim, yet even so, it’s not difficult to teach people meanings of words that are unfamiliar to them. As a professional musician, who has taught trombone lessons for about 25 years, I’ve taught many elementary students a new meaning of the word “natural” they never knew existed, and they learn it quite quickly, especially when I constantly remind them they need to play an A natural—and not an A flat—when they play a B flat major scale.

Teaching what “natural” means in the context of human sexuality isn’t all that hard either. In my experience, it’s been remarkably easy. And in the case of students, not only do they grasp it quickly, they are grateful as well.

My talks to high school students always include a parable about Thanksgiving. I describe a typical family Thanksgiving, where the whole family has gathered at grandma and grandpa’s house. They’ve just finished a memorable feast of turkey, with all the fixings, followed, naturally, by pie. Everyone is stuffed to the gills. And yet, fifteen minutes after dinner, and to the surprise of everyone, their grandmother offers everyone a second meal. “We couldn’t eat another bite!” some say, yet in response, their grandfather, with a glint in his eye, grabs a bucket, sticks a feather down his throat, and proceeds to vomit out his dinner, horrifying the family. With a swish of mouthwash, and a quick wipe of his face, he sets the bucket on the table, looks around at his stunned family and says, “Alright, who’s next?”, then grabs another plate of food and sits down in front of the TV, acting as if he had just done the most natural thing in the world.

Students’ reaction to my story is immediate and visceral. They groan—loudly. I ask them with feigned shock, “Why does that gross you out? Don’t you like to eat? Wouldn’t it be amazing if you could eat whatever you wanted, and never worry about gaining weight? Wouldn’t purging yourself of food in order to eat more food bring you great freedom to live with as much pleasure as you would like?”

And as easily as that—and in a way they’ll never forget—I’ve introduced them to what the “natural” means in the Church’s teaching of the “natural law.” It’s not hard for them to get it, for they can detect unnatural behavior in humans a mile away. They may have never thought about it in the context of human sexuality however, but that’s the power of parables like my story about Thanksgiving.

The students groan because they intuitively know that eating, followed by purging food is not normal or healthy human behavior. Indeed, they know instinctively that to do so is not natural, since they know that no matter how pleasurable food is, eating food is primarily to provide sustenance and nutrition for the body. With eating and purging, they have rightly intuited an ought from an is. Once this understanding is established, it’s an easy and direct path towards discussing sex and the design of the human body, and the freedom that comes from following the natural law.

Yet deriving an “ought” from an “is” is another of Selmys’s complaints about the natural law. She says, “But those few who have some philosophical training will dismiss natural law arguments as committing the ‘naturalistic fallacy,’ i.e. deriving an ought statement from an ‘is’ statement.”

Here, I will rely on a man far wiser than I to answer her objection.

In a book I can’t recommend highly enough called On the Meaning of Sex, author and philosopher Dr. J. Budziszewski provides an antidote to the lies and confusion stemming from the Sexual Revolution by appealing to the truth and wisdom contained in the natural law. Far from believing that the natural law is an ineffectual tool for promoting the Church’s vision of human sexuality, Budziszewski places it at the core of his argument, where he provides a lifeline of rescue for young people (like his own college students) hurting from believing and following the lies of the Sexual Revolution.

Contra Selmys, Budziszewski argues that people who don’t believe an “ought can be derived from an is” are holding onto a false dogma.

He writes,

If the purpose of the eye is to see, then eyes that see well are good eyes, and eyes that see poorly are poor ones. Given their purpose this is what it means for eyes to be good. Moreover, good is to be pursued; the appropriateness of pursuing it is what it means for anything to be good. Therefore, the appropriate thing to do with poor eyes is to turn them into good ones. If it really were impossible to derive anought from the is of the human design, then the practice of medicine would make no sense.

Speaking of a young fellow who is addicted to sniffing glue, with concepts he’ll later expand to human sexuality, he asks,

How should we advise him? Is the purpose of his lungs irrelevant? Should we say to him, “Sniff all you want, because an is does not imply an ought”? Of course not; we should advise him to kick the habit. We ought to respect the is of our design. Nothing in us should be put into action in a way that flouts its inbuilt meanings and purposes.

As he says later,

These meanings, purposes, and principles are the real reason for the commands and prohibitions contained in traditional sexual morality. Honor your parents. Care for your children. Save sex for marriage. Make marriage fruitful. Be faithful to your spouse.

Let the sexual revolution bury the sexual revolution. Having finished revolving, we arrive back where we started. What your mother—no, what your grandmother—no, what your great-grandmother—told you was right all along. These are the natural laws of sex.

I have found any attempts to convince people of the Church’s teaching on homosexuality that don’t include a discussion of “the natural laws of sex” to be dead on arrival, for without this understanding, the Church’s teaching sounds like arbitrary commandments, rooted in nothing but the whim of some grizzled old priests somewhere who think sex is dirty and that people shouldn’t be allowed to have any fun. Without a grounding in the natural law, the Church’s teaching merely becomes, “obey the rules, simply because the Church says so.” And no one is ever really convinced of anything merely through blind obedience—especially young people.

It is simply wrong to say the natural law is ineffective concerning homosexuality and evangelization. During a three-day period a few years back in the Diocese of Wichita I spoke to over 3,000 high school students. After one of my talks, a theology teacher at one of the high schools shared with me what one of his students said to him: “You know, I wasn’t sure what to expect from this guy, but now, it all makes sense to me—all of the Church’s teaching. This isn’t just about the stuff he has to deal with. What he said helps me make sense of what the Church has to say about sex, all of it.” And no wonder it made sense to him: the natural law makes sense because it’s true, for its truth comes from being rooted in reality.

I hear similar things from youth pastors and teachers all the time after my talks. Of course, not everyone who hears me speak about the natural law is convinced by it, but after my talk, they have enough understanding that they can finally see there are well-reasoned arguments for the Church’s teaching. Our job isn’t to convert everyone we meet—that’s the Holy Spirit’s worry. Our job is to promote the Good News in the most powerful way we can, and as for me and my experience, next to the witness of conversion, the natural law is the most effective tool the Church has to convince souls that her teaching on homosexuality is the path to peace and freedom.

Natural law is not a lame horse—and it’s not really been “tried for decades” as she contends. Since Humanae Vitae, natural law has been held back, whipped, bullied, and abused by prelates, theologians and lay people who don’t like the claims it makes upon the men of the world. Every time it’s been trotted out and proposed as salvation from the world’s view of sexual morality, it’s been gelded, stifled and undermined by people in the Church who don’t like what the natural law has to say—or the way it says it. As St. John Paul II lamented in 2004 to the Biannual Plenary Assembly of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,

My intention in the Encyclical Letters Veritatis Splendor and Fides et Ratio was to offer useful elements for rediscovering, among other things, the idea of natural moral law. Unfortunately, these teachings so far do not seem to have been accepted as widely as hoped and the complex problem deserves further study. I therefore ask you to encourage timely initiatives for the purpose of contributing to a constructive renewal of the teaching on natural moral law, seeking consensus with the representatives of the different confessions, religions and cultures.

St. John Paul II is right. Melinda Selmys is wrong. It’s not time to set the “natural law” horse out to pasture. No, it’s been put out to pasture long enough—it’s well fed, and ready to run. In the fight for souls, the natural law is a compass and light that shines as a beacon leading to a place of safety. This is a stallion meant for battle, yet its mettle has yet been tested, for people like Selmys have had no confidence in its ability to run—or worse, have no desire to see it run. Now is the time, when the world has become so confused about human sexuality, to unleash the saving power of the natural law, and by the thundering of its hooves, lead lost souls to freedom.

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Daniel Mattson lives in the midwest, where he has a career in the arts. He is featured in the Courage Apostolate’s documentary Desire of the Everlasting Hills and is often invited to share his testimony to clergy, schools and parishes. He blogs at LettersToChristopher.wordpress.com. Other writings may be found at Joyful Pilgrims.

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COMPLETE COVERAGE—PENNSYLVANIA HOMOSEXUAL CLERGY COVER-UP http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/30/complete-coverage-pennsylvania-homosexual-clergy-cover-up/

HUNDREDS OF SEX ABUSE TIPS RECEIVED IN PENNSYLVANIA HOMOSEXUAL CLERGY COVER-UP http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/31/hundreds-of-sex-abuse-tips-received-in-pennsylvania-homosexual-clergy-cover-up/

THE VORTEX: I ANSWER ONLY TO GOD – A new culture is forming in the Church on Homosexual Clergy http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/31/the-vortex-i-answer-only-to-god-a-new-culture-is-forming-in-the-church-on-homosexual-clergy/

REV. MARTIN BOYLAN: SCRANTON PRIEST SUSPENDED PENDING INVESTIGATION http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/04/rev-martin-boylan-scranton-priest-suspended-pending-investigation-allegations-of-pedophila-is-enough-to-have-priests-faculties-removed-in-scranton-diocese/

ORGANIZED CRIME IN PENNSYLVANIA DIOCESE: Federal authorities seeking racketeering charges over actions of two former bishops http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/04/organized-crime-in-pennsylvania-diocese-federal-authorities-seeking-racketeering-charges-over-actions-of-two-former-bishops/

SUPERIOR OF LAY APOSTOLATE DECLARES FOUNDER GUILTY OF SEX ABUSE: The community of Sodalitium Christianae Vitae has systemic problems http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/06/superior-of-lay-apostolate-declares-founder-guilty-of-sex-abuse-the-community-of-sodalitium-christianae-vitae-has-systemic-problems/

Cardinal Theodore Adrien Sarr: Africans will not accept Western push for gay ‘marriage’ http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/06/cardinal-theodore-adrien-sarr-africans-will-not-accept-western-push-for-gay-marriage/

PENNSYLVANIA REFORMING SEX ABUSE LAW AMID HOMOSEXUAL ABUSE CRISIS: Legislators seek abolition of statute of limitations http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/06/pennsylvania-reforming-sex-abuse-law-amid-homosexual-abuse-crisis-legislators-seek-abolition-of-statute-of-limitations/

HEAD OF US BISHOPS’ NEWS AGENCY PROMOTES LGBT ‘RIGHTS’ http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/12/head-of-us-bishops-news-agency-promotes-lgbt-rights/

HEAD OF BISHOPS’ NEWS OUTFIT RESIGNS AMID CONTROVERSY: Bishops ask Tony Spence to step down after reports of pro-gay activism http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/14/head-of-bishops-news-outfit-resigns-amid-controversy-bishops-ask-tony-spence-to-step-down-after-reports-of-pro-gay-activism/

VATICAN BANS ARCHBISHOP JULIUSZ PAETZ FROM POLAND’S CELEBRATIONS http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/14/vatican-bans-archbishop-juliusz-paetz-from-polands-celebrations/

Michael Voris’s Stunning & Admirable Broken-Hearted Confession http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/22/michael-voriss-stunning-admirable-broken-hearted-confession/

MASCULINITY AND CATHOLICISM: True masculinity involves courage, sacrifice and love of God http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/23/masculinity-and-catholicism-true-masculinity-involves-courage-sacrifice-and-love-of-god/

THE VORTEX: LIMITING GOD – We must not seek to limit God http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/21/the-vortex-limiting-god-we-must-not-seek-to-limit-god/

THREE FRIARS TO STAND TRIAL FOR PROTECTING HOMOSEXUAL ABUSIVE BROTHER http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/04/29/three-friars-to-stand-trial-for-protecting-homosexual-abusive-brother/

THIRD CLERIC CONVICTED IN GAY PRIEST NETWORK IN BRINDISI, ITALY http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/06/19/third-cleric-convicted-in-gay-priest-network-in-brindisi-italy/

Can You Be Gay and Christian? http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/06/29/can-you-be-gay-and-christian/

Homosexuality, the Grave Evil Presented as Good with Q & A, Part 1 & 2

Homosexuality, the Grave Evil Presented as Good

FBI: Homosexuality with Question & Answer

Homosexuals and Freemasons inside the Church

Homosexual and Freemasons Inside the Church

“The Rite of Sodomy” Homosexuality in the Roman Catholic Church

“The Rite of Sodomy” Homosexuality in the Roman Catholic Church

Mic’d Up: Homosexuality is intrinsically disordered

Mic’d Up “Pink Money and the Homosexual Mafia” 

Please click this link to watch the video on Mic’d Up “Pink Money and the Homosexual Mafia”

Michael Voris gives a series of short talks, answering questions coming in response to his talk on homosexuality in Nigeria.

In this talk from Nigeria, Michael Voris speaks about the grave evil presented as good – homosexuality. Catechism of Catholic Church teaches that, “Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity (cf. Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10), tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered” (CDF, Persona humana 8). They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved” (CCC: 2357).

The Cost of Abortion & Contraception Deception click below:

The Cost of Abortion and Contraception Deception

Pope Francis Defends Life From Conception to Natural Death During Angelus – February 7,2016 http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/02/07/pope-francis-defends-life-from-conception-to-natural-death-during-angelus-february-72016/

Do Men Have a Duty to Have More than 2.1 Children? http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/01/26/do-men-have-a-duty-to-have-more-than-2-1-children/

Fighting Poverty by Eliminating Children http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/02/10/fighting-poverty-by-eliminating-children/

Catholic Bishops: Voting for Candidate who supports abortion is formal cooperation with evil

Eclipse of Reason – Live Abortion Documentary/Pro-Life Anti-Abortion Video

Stojan Adasevic: A communist abortionist turned pro-life after a saint visited him

12-year-old speaks out on the issue of abortion

He performed 1,200 abortions: In new videos, he wants you to see what abortion really looks like http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/02/24/he-performed-1200-abortions-in-new-videos-he-wants-you-to-see-what-abortion-really-looks-like/

Still think abortion is medically necessary? This abortionist begs to differ (video)

http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/02/26/still-think-abortion-is-medically-necessary-this-abortionist-begs-to-differ-video/

‘I freaked out’: clinic worker describes first time watching abortionist remove baby’s arms, legs http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/03/i-freaked-out-clinic-worker-describes-first-time-watching-abortionist-remove-babys-arms-legs/

US Congress Subpoenas StemExpress, Which Buys Fully Intact Aborted Babies From Planned Parenthood http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/30/us-congress-subpoenas-stemexpress-which-buys-fully-intact-aborted-babies-from-planned-parenthood/

Breastfeeding: A social justice issue http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/30/breastfeeding-a-social-justice-issue/

MRI Shows Breastfed Babies’ Brains Develop Better/Faster than Formula or Mixed-Fed Infants http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/18/mri-shows-breastfed-babies-brains-develop-betterfaster-than-formula-or-mixed-fed-infants/

Who is behind the murderers in abortion?

Abortion and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation

Is there a link between abortion, contraception and breast cancer?

Abortion and Eucharist by Michelle Yax

Please click this link to watch on Abortion with Movie: From Old Testament, New Testament & Fathers of the Church Teaching to Present Day

Bible’s Teachings Against Abortion

US Representative Nancy Pelosi vs. The Catholic Church on Abortion Issue

8 Unbelievably heartbreaking quotes from women who aborted their babies

Is there Ethics of Abortion?

Abortion Warns of Something Worse?

‘We’re killing babies all over the place!’ – Dr. Ben Carson

Ben Carson: They say abortion is about women’s rights but what about the baby?

Help to abolish abortion: Turn the tide 2012 Pro-life video

Discovering Natural Family Planning

US Presidential Candidate Ted Cruz backs personhood in powerful new video: “Defend the right to life of born and unborn”

http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/02/18/us-presidential-candidate-ted-cruz-backs-personhood-in-powerful-new-video-defend-the-right-to-life-of-born-and-unborn/

Pro-life Song and Video: Stand Up For Life

Is Health Care a Pro Life Issue? http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/02/14/is-health-care-a-pro-life-issue/

Planned Parenthood Videos Put a Spotlight on Another Issues: Procurement Companies

Video: Laughing abortionists ‘pull out baby hearts after abortion, just for fun’. It’s cute.

Undercover pro-life investigator: I saw evil in the face of late-term abortionist

Forensic report finds Planned Parenthood video are authentic and unaltered

US Bishop issues major call for men to join the battle for life & family: ‘We need to get off the sidelines’

Pope Francis: Life must be defended in all its stages

Into the breach: An Apostolic Exhortation to Catholic Men, My Spiritual Sons in the Diocese of Phoenix

Does God want Christians to stand up against the injustice of abortion? Here’s what the Bible says…

‘I made a huge mistake’ – Why one radical feminist changed her mind on abortion http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/01/06/i-made-a-huge-mistake-why-one-radical-feminist-changed-her-mind-on-abortion/

THE VORTEX: TIME BOMBS IN THE MARCH FOR LIFE – The March for Life has been hijacked by the Church of Nice http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/01/21/the-vortex-time-bombs-in-the-march-for-life-the-march-for-life-has-been-hijacked-by-the-church-of-nice/

MIC’D UP—PLANNED PARENTHOOD’S STRATEGY

http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/02/12/micd-up-planned-parenthoods-strategy/

12th Video Catches Planned Parenthood Aborting Intact Late-Term Babies to Sell as Parts http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/03/12th-video-catches-planned-parenthood-aborting-intact-late-term-babies-to-sell-as-parts/

Abby Johnson confessions of a former Planned Parenthood Director: Contraception access increases abortions. And here’s the proof http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/08/abby-johnson-confessions-of-a-former-planned-parenthood-director-contraception-access-increases-abortions-and-heres-the-proof/

Former abortionist: Abortion is never necessary to save a woman’s life http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/21/former-abortionist-abortion-is-never-necessary-to-save-a-womans-life/

Related Articles/ Videos on Euthanasia click below:

Pope Francis denounces “false compassion” behind abortion and Euthanasia

Rejecting Euthanasia, Respecting the Human Spirit

Euthanasia is always wrong; You do not kill innocent people

Michael Voris talks an in-depth discussion of the true, financial cost of abortion and its effects to the United States. Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that, “The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death” (CDF, Donum vitae III; CCC: 2273).

Contraception & the New Dark Age, Part 1-4: Where we are & How we got here by Dr. Martin Brenner click below:

Contraception & the New Dark Age, Part 1-4: Where we are & How we got here?

Is Contraception a Legitimate Response to the Zika Virus? http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/04/is-contraception-a-legitimate-response-to-the-zika-virus/

Contraception gave us divorce and gay ‘marriage’ and will destroy us: here’s how http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/03/06/contraception-gave-us-divorce-and-gay-marriage-and-will-destroy-us-heres-how/

CIA: The Rockefeller Foundation – Actively Undermining the Catholic Church click below:

CIA: Rockefeller Foundation – Actively Undermining the Catholic Church

We are used to thinking of the Rockefellers as simply a byword for wealth, power and financial success. Perhaps we might think of them as determined businessmen or see them as great philanthropists. But the truth is far different; the Rockefeller Foundation is actively undermining the Catholic Church, and in the process, attempting to erase man’s natural orientation to the eternal.

Global Warming Unmasked click below:

Global Warming Unmasked

Are the environmental movements and groups simply devoted to laudable, correct stewardship of God’s creation, or do they have a more sinister, hidden agenda? Is “global warming” being used as an excuse for something far darker? Is the final goal of the liberal elites behind the push of junk science population control, eugenics and Gaia worship?

Mic’d Up “Is Contraception Killing the Church?” click below:

Mic’d Up: Is Contraception Killing the Church?

This week on Mic’d Up we’ll be tackling the terrible scourge of Contraception on the Church. Michael Hichborn and Rey Flores from American Life League will join us to expose Catholic Relief Services complicity with Organizations who support contraception and to Discuss The Pill Kills Day of Action 2014. Also joining us will be Lynn Mills who will be discussing the continued prayer rally at Providence Park Hospital in the Archdiocese of Detroit because of their complicity in abortion, contraception and sterilization. Following that same thread we’ll break down the announcement from Detroit Archbishop Allen Vigneron concerning the crisis of parish closings facing Detroit. Also dropping by will be author James Kalb, to discuss the plague of pluralism on the Church’s Hierarchy.